[Official] Project Perfection

[Joshino]

I really want a pre-alpha Q.Q

 

[Noorwin]

Awesome job, with this comunity SWG never dies, just reborn better.

 

[Tonberry]

I really want a pre-alpha Q.Q

Since most of us working on the project have uni or work stuff going on right now that will probably be a while. We'll definitely be releasing alpha packages as things progress though, starting once we have enough features done to be worth testing across different systems

The project is definitely more ambitious than its previous incarnation and touches a lot more areas than just increasing texture resolutions, so performance feedback of various systems is going to become quite important, depending on how far we push it.

 

[Kayliaah]

Ha, I knew you'd come back sooner or later you freaky yellow-eyed green creep.

So PP is back from the grave, I didn't think I would witness its second coming in my lifetime, it makes me happy, I just wish I could help you guys make this dream come true, I always wanted to be part of this team before it died, but one death is enough, I wish you all the best folks, I will watch you from above, or below, and who knows, if life carves me a path so I can join this project and finally help get it done, then I'll be there.

What are the odds that your new, long awaited, premium quality tablet will break on you after one half finished drawing? To me? 100%. Bad luck or just shitty manufacturing? I'll never know.
I'm back to drawing on paper, and it's not that I don't like it, it's just that it's so much easier to erase/modify/tweak something on PS, hell I don't even have a scanner so there is no use in keeping it up at the moment. At least I can make my own real life wallpapers! Yay! No.

 

[Tonberry]

Nice to see you Kay, it seems many of us who were MIA have made a reappearance over the past month or so. As for PP, yeah it most certainly is back. We have quite a few folks contributing now although we've all been busy recently so I doubt any large strides will be made until real life stuff clears up a bit.

I've been keeping records, renders and screenshots of various pieces of progress/experimentation to hopefully post as some form of dev blog while development is slow, just to keep peoples interest satisfied. I have no idea when I'll get around to posting this stuff, but its all drafted out so not too long I guess.

As for helping out feel free to do so, we need as many interested in helping as possible, especially from those who are familiar with the client as well as textures.

The original death of the project was due to screw ups with my system. This time everything is set up so old and new contributers can come and go, the project will always remain safe, secure, alive and accessible by those who get in touch about helping out. Obviously we can't set an estimated timeline, but we can say that progress will always be made and nothing will ever be lost.

I can't speak for everyone contributing, but I know in my case once I get some free time to spend on it and really get the ball rolling, progress will become quite quick, thanks to all the preparations we took.

Anyway, if you ever find yourself in a creative mood, drop by IRC and I'll be happy to elaborate more.

 

[Timbab]

Yea sorry, I just haven't had the time to really work on anything SWG, things just get in the way constantly.

That said, I still plan on working on it down the road, I just can't at the moment, I haven't forgotten about PP!

Edit:

Kay, not sure if it's a software or hardware problem, but, if you have a Wacom, try this:

Click on Start > click on All programs > search and open the Bamboo (Or whatever, for me it's Wacom Tablet) folder > select Bamboo Preference File Utility > click on Remove under All User Preferences.

That usually fixed it for me (when it stopped working), otherwise perhaps the USB cable is the problem, try a different one yet?

You could also try the fixes here, with old Vista drivers and what not:
http://www.sevenforums.com/drivers/39252-wacom-intuos4-driver-issue.html

Or maybe even this:
Try disabling the Tablet PC Input Service under Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Services.

If it's hardware, I'm sure warranty will cover it.

 

[Kayliaah]

Ha, you clowns responded, it was all part of my big plan!

Anyways , I'm glad you got it all worked out Berry, losing progress is NEVER fun and extremely frustrating, even if you think it's not a big deal at first because you can always redo what you did, but all in all it's just time consuming and if you forget something you bang your head against the desk/wall/table/monitor/washing machine, because of your epic failure.

So I suppose you got an efficient way to backup your stuff now to make sure it's never lost, like a repo or something that anybody willing to contribute can access, so there is no step backwards.

It's always been a pretty huge project, and even if some people will tell you it's not needed, it will allow the game to survive even longer and basically never die, thanks to SWGEmu for allowing the community to bring the best people to improve/enhance this gem that we loved in our previous life.


@Timborg

You're right, I had a Wacom just like before, but this time I got the medium epic one at 90€, it hurt my purse pretty hard at the time but I was willing to spend those Rupees to get a better drawing experience because of the bigger touch screen and the extra pens (I always break the pointy thingy edge).

But as it turns out, it wasn't software at all as I had expected, I mean I plugged the tablet to my PC and it was recognized, it worked for a couple days, I was pretty excited and all and then the next day, nothing.

I tested it on different USB ports on all the 5 PC's in the house and it never worked again, so I brought the annoyer back to the manufacturer, I still had the warranty thank gawd, and after waiting a long week for them to test the product to see if it was really faulty, they finally called me back telling me that there was a " slight problem" in the circuit , basically a big arse part of the circuit had melted and no energy could travel from the cable to the circuit, well no shite, you call that a slight problem seriously, are these things even tested anymore?

I mean it's a good thing the tablet didn't burn my PC too, or I would have been in epic rage mode, and my PC can't be the cause of the problem, it's not like it provides too much energy, heat or anything with my crappy PSU, and everything else works, I even plugged a new DVD driver (remember how the old one stopped working) and it was welcomed with open arms, my USB ports work just fine too, so the tablet was probably faulty in the first place, the machine who made the circuit was probably tired of being enslaved and decided to link two opposite poles so the resistor or whatever you call it started warming up until it just said fuck it and melted, not even sure how it worked in the first place, I mean take a random battery and link the two + and - poles with a random metallic conductor and you'll see how warm the battery gets after a short while, now do that with high voltage and ponder.

No wonder the thing melted, it kinda reminds me of my two amazing Maxtor hard drives that melted at the exact same spot lol, btw you see any Seagate products, you run away from them, they merged with Maxtor.


So yeah, the warranty did cover my crazy expense thankfully, I didn't get anything else but a friend loaned me his Fujitsu tablet that he didn't use anymore until I get a new one, and Photoshop doesn't recognize it...

I'm cursed I tell you.

 

[Timbab]

Well that's beyond retarded, you probably are cursed. I had to think of the Maxtor when I read it, lol.

Until you get a new one, try that Fujitsu with other programs like Autodesk Sketchbook Pro, Painter, Gimp (oh God) or whatever else is out there.

Did you have it plugged straight into the mobo or USB outlets on the case?

So strange, so strange.

 

[Tonberry]

That long winded explanation would have probably been a lot easier to write on IRC Kay. Not that I can talk since I haven't been around there lately either, we're gonna have to change that.

Well... I'm actually sat in a lecture right now, so back to the boredom of ASP.NET... Yay! :/

 

[Kayliaah]

Holamigos,

@Timbab, I did try the trial for Sketchbook, retried another version of PS and Corel Paint 12 and it seems the damn thing actually works with Corel Paint but the calibration is just terrible, when I try drawing a simple line it draws waves instead, I tried Googling the problem and I didn't find a real solution, I managed to get a correct line by drawing VERY slowly but it's a real pain, I can't get it calibrated correctly for some reason.

I remember my old Wacom was calibrated correctly from the start, and so was the new one I bought before it melted, I don't know if I'm really cursed or if it's just bad luck, I can't do anything right now, it's a shame I had super cool ideas and all, I'll put this crap on hold for now, I can't be bothered at the moment, there is no point trying anything with crappy hardware.


@Berry

I would have probably spammed IRC with my problems and annoyed everyone while trying to find a solution that just wasn't there, but yeah, IRC was cool, I miss it, so we'll have to change that at some point, getting the whole team/group/squad of old timers on IRC would be a sight to behold, I mean we always had stuff to talk about and dream projects that we wished we could fulfil, no rest for the wicked!

You're working on ASP.NET ATM? Are you building a website or apps still? I remember you were working on Android apps before you vanished and it seemed fun, at least you didn't seem as bored as you used to be when talking about it .



Anyways, somebody should probably make a thread in the Off Topic section so we can all ramble about nonsensical tech, I feel like I'm clogging the PP topic with crap that doesn't belong here.

That's all folks, see ya later.

 

[Timbab]

Yea ugh, bad Drawpads from other companies, especially that lack the proper drivers/tools.

Just go rebuy a damn Wacom, I'm pretty sure it was just bad luck, otherwise there would be a furious artist community rioting.

I wonder if my old Wacom actually still works and all that was wrong with it was what I talked about in my last post... lol, I gotta try...

@Davin, move the posts to a new thread? Keeps it alive yet PP clutter free.

 

[Kayliaah]

Yeah I know it was just terrible luck, I know Wacom does pretty fine stuff and affordable too, my first Wacom was pretty much the cheapest of them all, hell I was just screwing around on it, it was nothing serious, but it was pretty fun, like OMG you can touch the screen n stuff, you can even use it as a replacement for your mouse (mice).

Freaking hilarious though, I went to the general shop which sells pretty cool stuff when it comes to computer hardware etc (though at a pretty high price, damn inflation), and they have Windows tablets but those that are "meant" to replace computers in the future (frak em honestly), and they have the new iPad and today there was a guy complaining about how the new iPad was a pile of shite and it wasn't worth its crazy price, and the shop worker guy was blushing and everything, he was telling the guy to calm down that he wasn't responsible for the articles on sale, the whole conversation was pretty funny you had people just standing there staring at them wondering wth they were talking about, at the end the overreacting guy just left his tail between his legs with just a soda and a pack of bubble gums, hilarious. Well at least it was for me.

Anyways, what I meant to say is that they have the super expensive multitool tablets but no Wacom or drawing tablets, it's pretty sad, they used to have graphic cards too but not anymore WTF.
This was were I bought my super old NVIDIA 6600 at like 150€, my god it was so expensive, and now I can't even find one for my brother who really needs one, poor sod is still using the crappy Intel graphics HD chip in the CPU and he can't even play Battlefield 3 which requires Directx 10.1 and the Intel chip only has Directx 10, bad luck too, or crappy hardware? Both.
He got the game on Origin for 10€ though so it's alright for him, but Origin... I told him to use Steam instead but BF3 isn't on there sadly.

RAMBLE RAMBLE RAMBLE, damnit Davin, make an Offtopic thread already you lazy bum, use that pile of gay money for something!


PS: Btw Davin, it seems putting stuff in Bold is broken, this is what I get when I click on the Bold button, no idea if other buttons are broken too.

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Then again, it could be just me, I'm known for screwing things that aren't meant to be screwed up.

 

[Timbab]

Lol iPad bashing in a store, awesome. When I was in downtown Munich, there was this huge Apple store, my God, it was PACKED. So, so sad.

If anything, I'd get a Win8 Tablet, but meh, not the time yet. Serious tablets are still way too expensive for any sane use. For eBooks and what not, MS is actually bringing out their own Windows RT tablet out if I remember correctly for like 250 bucks which will challenge the market quite a bit, other companies are doing it too now, not for profit, just to get a foothold.

You should just buy a Wacom from a verified merchant online, same goes for the GPU, SO much cheaper!

When your brother gets his new GPU for Beatlefield, let me know, I can 'powerlevel' him every now and again if he wants to gun my choppah... or you could install it yourself and play, haha. Origin isn't that bad if I remember correctly from the latest updates, it really doesn't do much more than Steam or other anticheat programs, but in the end I could care less about it, I only ever have it briefly on anyways.

 

[Kayliaah]

Windows 8 tablet with that Metro interface, really, really? And yeah, the price is out of this world.

Lol, you don't know my little brother, you'll want to kill yourself after 5 minutes playing with him, I think playing stupid is one of his best assets, he likes getting on your nerves and it makes him laugh.
I remember playing online and LAN with him and a friend, Jedi Outcast, Republic Commando, Pacific Assault, I even got him to play SWG for a while, but he's just lazy, and he can't even say that he doesn't understand English well because he does, well his accent is still shite but he'll get there.

Anyways, if I wanted to play BF3 which never really interested me because it's too new age and not like 1942 and hipsters like me are all over old school stoof ya know, I would need to buy the game myself, sharing accounts sucks, same for GW2, he wants to play it too but unless I share my accoutn with him so he can make a character in my account he'll have to buy the game himself or a key, I don't even know if you can log two toons from the same account at the same time, if you can't then it's settled.

That lucky bastardo is going to the US in a few months for his Law studies, he's going for international business law, he's not just going for the Law branch like I did, but he's going a big step further, hell he seems to like it so why not, lots of reading though, like 30 law books, and he hates reading ha!



Soooo about that Project Perfection thang, it's not like I don't like talking about stuff that nobody cares about but I want to see some damn screenshots dangit! If you have any, *cough* I'm looking at you Berry.


Timbard, you better start that Offtopic thread yourself imo, Davin is too lazy!

 

[DavinFelth]

I'm not lazy, I just can't figure out where to split it

 

[Timbab]

Just move all slightly OT posts that don't belong to the thread into the newly created thread!

No idea how to do it on this board, but on phpbb it was pretty simple, in the mod tab.

Try to move it in after the OP though, not after the last post, if possible, to not make it confusing.

P.S. I can verify, Bold, Italic and underline don't work.

 

[Tonberry]

Soooo about that Project Perfection thang, it's not like I don't like talking about stuff that nobody cares about but I want to see some damn screenshots dangit! If you have any, *cough* I'm looking at you Berry.

Well I do have early pics from a couple of months back but that's about it so far. It's mostly experimental stuff too so very little of it is actually in-game screenshots.

Whenever I get around to posting some kind of progression diary (waiting until I have enough free time to commit to keeping it updated) then I'll start posting stuff like that.

 

[Kayliaah]

Lies.

 

[Tonberry]

Well I have had a draft post just gathering dust for ages now.

I'm still just going to wait until I have more time to devote otherwise it'll be a few screenshot and then nothing for months on end.

It was just stuff showing off new textures I've completed and how they could potentially look:

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[MechWarrior001]

Ton, do you know if buildings or vehicles use one solid texture for the entire model or use seperate textures for different parts of the mesh?

If they use a whole mesh texture I could probably import them into 3DS Max and bake some nice AO into them.