man, I really miss this game...

[duffstone]

I was goofing around with the latest build, playing with graphix and other such non-sense, you know non-modding stuff... and just had a huge burst of nostalgia...

I really miss what I created on corbantis... :-(

do we have a list somewhere of decently populated servers other than bask and nova? sure would be nice to stop playing by myself.

-Duff

 

[Timbab]

Only server I've read about is http://www.swgemu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90637

 

[PikkonMG]

My hope is soon that we will be up their with Basilisk as far as uptime and population. Have been working on and off with others sense August 2013 on getting our own Env setup to work with Core3 so Hydian doesn't have to deal with the restart timer anymore, and as of yesterday we have placed this on our Test Center. After we feel that it is stable enough, no more bugs or glitches we will looking at pushing it to our live server.

 

[Viaron]

My hope is soon that we will be up their with Basilisk as far as uptime and population. Have been working on and off with others sense August 2013 on getting our own Env setup to work with Core3 so Hydian doesn't have to deal with the restart timer anymore, and as of yesterday we have placed this on our Test Center. After we feel that it is stable enough, no more bugs or glitches we will looking at pushing it to our live server.

You do realize that it is a direct violation of the SWGEmu Core 3 License to edit the engine, or to remove the restart timer?

The goal of a development environment in the first place, is to serve as an easy way to contribute source to Core3. Not for you to make your own play server for your friends.

It's also not smart to post about it on a forum that supports SWGEmu.

 

[Valkyra]

My hope is soon that we will be up their with Basilisk as far as uptime and population. Have been working on and off with others sense August 2013 on getting our own Env setup to work with Core3 so Hydian doesn't have to deal with the restart timer anymore, and as of yesterday we have placed this on our Test Center. After we feel that it is stable enough, no more bugs or glitches we will looking at pushing it to our live server.

LOL, you're lying plain and simple about your server's population counter and timer, now. It's artificially inflated in the PHP module.

GG

 

[Viaron]

LOL, you're lying plain and simple about your server's population counter and timer, now. It's artificially inflated in the PHP module.

GG

Lol'd very hard after looking at the script that adds population. Very cute. Not that it's even a script, more like displays a number. Lol.

My simple script was kind enough to display his true population of 12 players this evening. Thank You.

 

[kinshi]

This is to Duffstone....I run the Tarkin server and I try to avoid all the drama that seem to follow everyone else around. I dont make any claims of uberness about Tarkin, just that we do have a small dedicated group of players that are all decent folks, and play well together, and you are welcome to give it a whirl if you like.

As far as the other stuff in this thread, thats not of interest to me. I will be honest, we do not have hordes of players like Basi, but if you make the effort of outreach to the players we do have, it will be reciprocated easily.

Anyway, if you like take a look at http://swgcanon.com and see if what you read suits you (I will also be honest, we are not trying to cater to everyone, so I cannot promise its what you want, but we are earnest about our efforts).

 

[Vandrel]

Let's cut the shit and get down to the real issues here, after all I have better things to do with my time then to engage in pointless internet kid drama.

First I'll say that Mod the Galaxy has been a great learning tool for myself and a few others that are on Hydian. So thank you for the public resource.

Now I'll be very blunt

You do realize that it is a direct violation of the SWGEmu Core 3 License to edit the engine, or to remove the restart timer?

Who said anything about the engine being modified? Do you have some sort of proof or are you just pulling this out of your ass to create a stink? I read his post quite clearly and didn't see any mention about the engine being modified.

Better yet, since you want to act like a legal eagle I'll direct you to a lawyer I worked with at a gaming company, she can help you understand Open Source and IP, www.linkedin.com/in/punklawyer

LOL, you're lying plain and simple about your server's population counter and timer, now. It's artificially inflated in the PHP module.

GG

Timer? How is that a lie? Are you claiming someone has developed a super secret weapon that somehow modifies the clocks in your house to read a different time and mask the true time you spend sitting on a server? I don't really understand your point to this, it's as easy as logging onto a server, sitting down and stuffing your face while you watch the clock.

What exactly about his post mentioned anything about current population? All he said was he's hopeful that the server can grow and mature to the level that Basilisk is at.

Second, you're one to talk here about lying. One of the developers on Veers with you (Dreadlow) was invited onto the Hydian staff in June 2013 and he was later caught and banned on July 29th 2013 for handing out Admin permissions to Veers buddies so they could all ruin the Hydian server.

IP's of the kids who tried to troll the server

Removed - Timbab

That's real classy and professional.

Lol'd very hard after looking at the script that adds population. Very cute. Not that it's even a script, more like displays a number. Lol.

You do realize the server status PHP file does just that, it displays numbers provided by the remote fsocket connection. Do you understand PHP? I've been doing web development since the 90's which is likely longer then you've been alive.

I'm entertained by the drama over this topic, really. All it shows is the success of Hydian is seen as a threat to you all. Don't blame us because people from your server choose to come play on ours. If you don't like it then you likely need to change something with your server. It's not like we go out of our way to advertise our server at all, it's posted on the SWGEmu forums per the rules and that's it. If other people want to go off and spread the word about Hydian then clearly it's because they have had a positive experience and wish to tell others. Why create a fuss over that?

I'd also like to note that the reason I started Hydian is because of assholes like yourselves. I was sick of the unprofessional attitudes and personal agendas of everyone running the other servers so I said the hell with it and made Hydian with some friends, the rest is history. Poor attitudes contributed to the success of Hydian, just remember that.

And aren't we forgetting something here? Isn't SWGEmu all about the community? You tell us that we shouldn't have a private server because it deters from Core3 development yet you got off to create SWG:ANH? lol, hypocrite much?

http://www.swganh.com/anh_about/

I don't see any mention of Core3 in there.

Cheers

P.S.
Myself and Hydian fully support the SWGEmu and Core3 development. I have supported it since 2006 when they posted the first video on the internet announcing the project.

 

[Valkyra]

Vandrel, not gonna bother with quoting all your rhetorical bullshit here, but if you simply download/use another 'vanilla' PHP module and point it to your login servers, it lists like 20-30 people also.

Also I don't care what Pikkon said, you guys are artificially inflating your numbers. That's it. Also you have to be artificially inflating your timer as well, maybe if you actually knew code like you claimed you'd know that the timer is located in the libengine3 which can only really be modified by hex value to bypass the timer, but you'd have to know where to look.

P.S. I'm not Dreadlow so I could care less what he does in his freetime.

 

[Vandrel]

Thanks for further proving the points I made

Cheers

 

[Valkyra]

If your points that you don't have 400-500 players, then yes, I did.

 

[Timbab]

You make a remark on unprofessionalism and lack of class, yet post the IP addresses of people in public.

Don't do it again.

 

[Vandrel]

Not to dispute your rules or decision, it's your forum so your rules but I never noticed anything that said IP's should be posted. Had I seen something mentioning against that then I wouldn't have posted them. Out of respect I will respect and comply to your wishes but to be frank on the topic, if they didn't want their IP's posted then they shouldn't be stupid and do the things they did.

When you do something stupid then you live with the consequences.

If I catch someone who breaks the rules, cheats or steals then I'll make sure everyone knows who they are.

 

[Viaron]

Lo-Fucking-L. This shit gets better and better. Sorry I missed this. Now for the ever so Favorited Z-Commentary! Let's see what's in the lineup for today:

Who said anything about the engine being modified? Do you have some sort of proof or are you just pulling this out of your ass to create a stink? I read his post quite clearly and didn't see any mention about the engine being modified.

Better yet, since you want to act like a legal eagle I'll direct you to a lawyer I worked with at a gaming company, she can help you understand Open Source and IP, http://www.linkedin.com/in/punklawyer

Though I love to pull all kinds of things out of my ass (Just ask Timbab), I certainly didn't pull this out of it. I'd like to cover a few points.

1) Valkyra already pointed it out, you have to edit the engine to edit the restart timer. As implied, you are attempting to edit it.

2) Here is information about the GNUL Licensing Core3 Uses. You can also view exceptions and revisions to this license at the top of most source files. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl.html

3) For someone so interested in "IP", assuming you meant "internet privacy", I'd love to know why you posted other people's IP Addresses on our forums? (took care of those btw.) Considering transferring private user data to off-site sources, more specifically, non-associated staff members, could be considered a Privacy Policy violation- if you even have one.

4) As a side note, Lol. I love Lawyers with a Linkedin.

Second, you're one to talk here about lying. One of the developers on Veers with you (Dreadlow) was invited onto the Hydian staff in June 2013 and he was later caught and banned on July 29th 2013 for handing out Admin permissions to Veers buddies so they could all ruin the Hydian server.

Lol. Just lol. Not only are both of the servers mentioned here, pretty much a joke (Just my opinion). How immature of you to include this irrelevant spiteful comment here. Someone's getting cranky because people are noticing their flaws. You should buy more foundation.

That's real classy and professional.

You should really re-read your post. Who exactly are we representing in which we should be classy or professional in the first place? lol.

You do realize the server status PHP file does just that, it displays numbers provided by the remote fsocket connection. Do you understand PHP? I've been doing web development since the 90's which is likely longer then you've been alive.

If you're so good at Web Development, why does your website look like shit? Oh and why on earth did you choose vBulletin 5, the half completed, XenForo wannabe for forum software? (Btw, ever visited projectswg.com, yeah... that entire site... my work).

I'm entertained by the drama over this topic, really. All it shows is the success of Hydian is seen as a threat to you all. Don't blame us because people from your server choose to come play on ours. If you don't like it then you likely need to change something with your server. It's not like we go out of our way to advertise our server at all, it's posted on the SWGEmu forums per the rules and that's it. If other people want to go off and spread the word about Hydian then clearly it's because they have had a positive experience and wish to tell others. Why create a fuss over that?

I'm confused? None of us represent other community servers (Except maybe Kinshi)... You're on a forum associated entirely with Modding, nothing else.

And aren't we forgetting something here? Isn't SWGEmu all about the community? You tell us that we shouldn't have a private server because it deters from Core3 development yet you got off to create SWG:ANH? lol, hypocrite much?

1) SWGEmu isn't all about the community. Have you ever talked to their staff? (Mind you, this is just my opinion, and I support the project, and am friends with many on staff.)
2) I didn't create SWG:ANH, I've helped manage their community, and now just sit back and administrate site services as needed. I have no desire to contribute source to any of the above projects. Lol. To be honest, it's drama in the past. Not sure why you're bringing it up.

I don't see any mention of Core3 in there.

SWG:ANH Does not, nor have we ever used Core3 in our source. Maybe you should look at it? ( http://github.com/swganh/mmoserver ). But then again, if you don't know Core3's source, I highly doubt you'd know anyone else's. Now let me be very clear: *I don't represent SWG:ANH, or any other SWG Emulation Community, I'm simply voicing my super awesome opinion*

Out of respect I will respect and comply to your wishes but to be frank on the topic, if they didn't want their IP's posted then they shouldn't be stupid and do the things they did.

When you do something stupid then you live with the consequences.

If I catch someone who breaks the rules, cheats or steals then I'll make sure everyone knows who they are.

Yes. That is the definition of Professionalism.

kthnx

 

[Vandrel]

1) Valkyra already pointed it out, you have to edit the engine to edit the restart timer. As implied, you are attempting to edit it.

So you are again stating we're editing the engine? Prove it

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/burden_of_proof

2) Here is information about the GNUL Licensing Core3 Uses. You can also view exceptions and revisions to this license at the top of most source files. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl.html

3) For someone so interested in "IP", assuming you meant "internet privacy", I'd love to know why you posted other people's IP Addresses on our forums? (took care of those btw.) Considering transferring private user data to off-site sources, more specifically, non-associated staff members, could be considered a Privacy Policy violation- if you even have one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property

You should really re-read your post. Who exactly are we representing in which we should be classy or professional in the first place? lol.

No, I was real clear with what I stated. If you need to ask the question of why you should be professional then maybe you shouldn't reside in your current "staff" position.

If you're so good at Web Development, why does your website look like shit? Oh and why on earth did you choose vBulletin 5, the half completed, XenForo wannabe for forum software? (Btw, ever visited projectswg.com, yeah... that entire site... my work).

That's all you could come up with is why our website looks bad? This is while you claim to have created the vB template website for ProjectSWG.... which has no website, just a forum home page.

I'm confused? None of us represent other community servers (Except maybe Kinshi)... You're on a forum associated entirely with Modding, nothing else.

Let me help un-confuse you then,

You are representing that community.

Furthermore I'll point out that you seem to have not understood my point in the comment that you're replying to there. I was highlighting the fact that I'm not running around the internet advertising Hydian. So I find it funny that YOU and anyone else finds us to be some kind of Axis of Evil and a threat to your livelihood.

And aren't we forgetting something here? Isn't SWGEmu all about the community? You tell us that we shouldn't have a private server because it deters from Core3 development yet you got off to create SWG:ANH? lol, hypocrite much?

1) SWGEmu isn't all about the community. Have you ever talked to their staff? (Mind you, this is just my opinion, and I support the project, and am friends with many on staff.)
2) I didn't create SWG:ANH, I've helped manage their community, and now just sit back and administrate site services as needed. I have no desire to contribute source to any of the above projects. Lol. To be honest, it's drama in the past. Not sure why you're bringing it up.

So... you just reiterated my point. I assume you missed the point I was making so I'll put it in bold.

SWG:ANH Does not, nor have we ever used Core3 in our source.

Again, see above.

At any rate, I think we are now crystal clear here. Hydian has never stooped over to other servers to create drama and doesn't really care what other servers are doing. You do your thing and we'll do ours. Players in the community will choose which server they want to play on and whatever they decide is because of how the server is. If people don't play on your server then maybe you need to review a few things.

Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

 

[Valkyra]

So you are again stating we're editing the engine? Prove it

Prove you AREN'T editing the Engine.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/burden_of_proof

If people don't play on your server then maybe you need to review a few things.

Same to you guy, with like 30 concurrent users max population.

 

[Vandrel]

So you are again stating we're editing the engine? Prove it

Prove you AREN'T editing the Engine.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/burden_of_proof

You made the accusation, prove your case. That's how it works. Innocent until proven guilty. Where's your proof?

You also contradicted yourself. You said we inflated the timer. Then you said we modified the engine. I told you to log onto the server and sit there while you stuff your face for 3 to 24 hours. Now you prove your case.

It's quite simple.

 

[Valkyra]

kden
[hr]

So you are again stating we're editing the engine? Prove it

Prove you AREN'T editing the Engine.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/burden_of_proof

You made the accusation, prove your case. That's how it works. Innocent until proven guilty. Where's your proof?

You also contradicted yourself. You said we inflated the timer. Then you said we modified the engine. I told you to log onto the server and sit there while you stuff your face for 3 to 24 hours. Now you prove your case.

It's quite simple.

I thought I already explained it, maybe if you actually read my posts instead of skimming over them and replying with verbal diarrhea, you'd know.

Do you understand where the Segmentation fault originates from? Hell, I doubt you even know the definition of that term. Here, I'll tell you: From the libengine3.a file. It was hardcoded in by TheAnswer himself, and compiled and is virtually impossible to decompile.

There is NO way for you to change it other than hexediting the correct value, and even then the highest number you can put in there is around 24 hours, and doing so would be a modification of Engine3 which is against the terms of the source.

Also, stuff my face for 3-24 hours? What are you implying, about my physical appearance? At least I'm not some stuck up faggot who looks like he fell on the ugly tree and hit every branch down, nor am I Sowhale.

Your server was spawned from Sowhale getting roflstomped on ROTF, which was spawned by the HARD guild getting roflstomped off Veers Elite.

Funny how that works, huh?

 

[Vandrel]

I thought I already explained it, maybe if you actually read my posts instead of skimming over them and replying with verbal diarrhea, you'd know.

Do you understand where the Segmentation fault originates from? Hell, I doubt you even know the definition of that term. Here, I'll tell you: From the libengine3.a file. It was hardcoded in by TheAnswer himself, and compiled and is virtually impossible to decompile.

There is NO way for you to change it other than hexediting the correct value, and even then the highest number you can put in there is around 24 hours, and doing so would be a modification of Engine3 which is against the terms of the source.

Also, stuff my face for 3-24 hours? What are you implying, about my physical appearance? At least I'm not some stuck up faggot who looks like he fell on the ugly tree and hit every branch down, nor am I Sowhale.

Your server was spawned from Sowhale getting roflstomped on ROTF, which was spawned by the HARD guild getting roflstomped off Veers Elite.

Funny how that works, huh?

I don't see anything proved here. I said PROVE that we modified the engine, not explain your thoughts on how the seg fault works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

 

[Viaron]

Ooo My turn again!

If you need to ask the question of why you should be professional then maybe you shouldn't reside in your current "staff" position.

Oh I'm the utmost of professional- On places where I need to be. Unfortunatley, this isn't one of them.

This is while you claim to have created the vB template website for ProjectSWG.... which has no website, just a forum home page.

I'm not sure if you're retarded, dumb, an idiot, a mixture of those, or all 3... But let me help you. The fact that you call it a 'template' in itself makes it clear enough that you don't know what you're talking about.

I had a longer reply to this, which went into detail, and explained a lot of things. But I removed it because it simply wasn't worth it.

You are representing that community.

Furthermore I'll point out that you seem to have not understood my point in the comment that you're replying to there. I was highlighting the fact that I'm not running around the internet advertising Hydian. So I find it funny that YOU and anyone else finds us to be some kind of Axis of Evil and a threat to your livelihood.

I didn't realize I was ON swganh.com when I was posted? Oh... wait... Since I still think you're a retard... WE ARE ON M-O-D-T-H-E-G-A-L-A-X-Y-.-C-O-M.

Hydian isn't being advertised? Like at all?
So like:
http://www.modthegalaxy.com/forums/thread-hydian-way
or
http://www.projectswg.com/showthread.php?t=38581 (btw that's a NGE Emulator, we don't care about that Pre-CU Shit.) ((And don't call me a hypocrite. I only join staff because I like to abuse authority. I don't like Pre-CU SWG In almost any way. Besides the profession structure and the beauty of it in general.))
oh and
http://www.swgemu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90637
and
http://www.swgemu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125775

So... you just reiterated my point. I assume you missed the point I was making so I'll put it in bold.

You act like it's my fault that they are developing their own code... or that I have control over them to tell them to stop. I'm only involved because a friend of mine asked me to help them out.

You should *really* know how little I care about anything. Literally, anything. But I do care about this thread, it's incredibly entertaining.

You should totally join Me, Valkyra, and Timbaby in MTG IRC. We'd love to chat it up

At any rate, I think we are now crystal clear here. Hydian has never stooped over to other servers to create drama and doesn't really care what other servers are doing. You do your thing and we'll do ours. Players in the community will choose which server they want to play on and whatever they decide is because of how the server is. If people don't play on your server then maybe you need to review a few things.

Now I don't think you understand:
1) SWG:ANH doesn't have a Test Server... and you quoted me, so I'm assuming you're talking about me.
2) The other two projects I was associated with have double your registered forum users... JUST that. lol.
3) Let me make it very clear I give 0 fucks about communities trying to host SWGEmu Servers. Mostly because the only purpose other servers have is to divide the SWG Community, rather then bring it together. I will always support SWGEmu and Project SWG the most- because they are the originals, and where the community should stay. Though, I guess if you're butthurt or whatever, many people are more than welcome to start up their own server where they can have a population of 20 people running around and doing a bunch of dumb shit all day, accomplishing nothing. Well--- maybe they get to play with some friends and have a tight cute little family. idk. idc.

Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

Oh. And. This.
Seriously.

Proper Prior Planning Prevents Pissy Pussy Pricks.
Doesn't look like it's working out for you.