Imperial Guard TIE Interceptor with a standard color (instead of red)

[Magneton]

Greetings! I am a player of SWG Legends and SWGEmu, and I have joined this forums because I am interested in particular modds of our beloved game.

For starters, I do like to request at least one thing since I have no experience in modding at all. I have a character in SWG Legends, who happens to be an Imperial pilot, that owns an Imperial Guard TIE Interceptor, and I wish to have it with a standard-color (while still having winglest) just like the rest of the TIEs, instead of red.

There is this video that, if you look closely while you pause at the right moment in 4:14 and between 4:53-4:54 , you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Sadly, that mod was probably long gone -- hence the reason why I'm requesting.

Normally, Imperial ships' color cannot be changed with the Ship Paint Kits (unlike the Alliance ships and Freelance ships). Perhaps, one day, I might learn some basic modding, such as changing Imperial ships colors, just for the fun experiences, and maybe even share with others. But for now I like to request what I asked, if possible.

I will greatly appreciate in whatever you can do to help me on this.

 

[Timbab]

I hate to make this post, as you seem like a nice person, but we don't allow/support illegal servers on ModTheGalaxy unfortunately, Legends being one.

 

[Magneton]

I hate to make this post, as you seem like a nice person, but we don't allow/support illegal servers on ModTheGalaxy unfortunately, Legends being one.

I don't understand :s ! What do you mean Legends is one of the illegal servers? As far as I know, when I sign up for Legends, I carefully read their terms of service, as well as their rules and policies before accepting. They clearly show that they take legal cases very seriously. They don't even allow players to play their server without legal copies, or having more than one accounts in the same house-hold, much like SWGEmu does.

Besides, I have plenty of old in-game friends that I know since we played together live in Starsider until the shut down. The community is wonderful as well. I can't just abandon them like that!

Legends is not even complete yet, like Emu. So, as far as I know, I don't think that they are using any code directly from SOE. SOE probably even lost it as soon as the shut down, so, by the time, I don't think that would be possible. Legends started since almost 1 year ago (which is new of course), and by that time, it was about 4 years since the shut down.

Is there any evidences to suggest that Legends is illegal?

 

[heckyl]

Timbad is right. modthegalaxy doesn't allowed illegal source codes that's what i've found out last time. modthegalaxy has rights too. it maybe the best i agreed to timbab.

sorry mate.

 

[Timbab]

As heckyl pointed out, Legends is using illegally obtained source code from SOE, which makes it illegal to run and operate (Also a big red flag dangerous to the SWG emulation scene (Even though Legends isn't emulation), due to the possibility of legal repercussions from Disney/EA/LF).

They definitely are using such code (I know the people that created it and it's basically an open secret if you dig around), any NGE server besides PSWG is running that code, the only reason they're not complete is because they're run by people that don't really know how to get it to run properly.

 

[levarrishawk]

Is there any evidences to suggest that Legends is illegal?

Tons.

 

[Magneton]

As heckyl pointed out, Legends is using illegally obtained source code from SOE, which makes it illegal to run and operate (Also a big red flag dangerous to the SWG emulation scene (Even though Legends isn't emulation), due to the possibility of legal repercussions from Disney/EA/LF).

They definitely are using such code (I know the people that created it and it's basically an open secret if you dig around), any NGE server besides PSWG is running that code, the only reason they're not complete is because they're run by people that don't really know how to get it to run properly.

As I come from a law-biding family, I respectfully understand the modthegalaxy policy. I suppose I'm not the only one who at first doesn't realize what got himself/herself into, suggesting what heckyl said.

Timbab, I strongly wish to continue this conversation a bit more as it's starting to makes sense. I'm curious of how they got the code in the first place. If they didn't obtained source code after the shutdown, then could it mean they got it before the shutdown? Maybe perhaps when it was announced in the summer of 2011 which probably spark people trying to save whatever they can before it was gone for good?

You also said that "it's basically an open secret if you dig around". After carefully navigating in SWGL website, either I found nothing or I don't understand. However, I did found this, which is from a thread in SWGP forum. This is one of the evidence that I wanted to see.

It turns out I'm starting to see the light, to see that you guys are telling the truth.

 

[Pake]

From what I read there was a hack years back it the hacker released the source code. I'm at work now or I'd google and post some links.

 

[Timbab]

It's been a while now and I haven't kept up with it, so the story might have changed with more evidence, but basically, from what I know, it stems from an SOE employee that was in contact with a person belonging to a group involving multiple emulation scene members (Not from SWGEmu, but other projects). Forgot when exactly they obtained it, but afaik it was around 2013 or 2014.

These people then went dark in the scene and worked on a faux 'NGE emulation' project that used the code as its base for about a year, until they were exposed by a handful of people (I was one of them), which led to them kind of vanishing again and at a later point anonymously dumping it publically on Reddit in early 2015? if I remember right. They were a tad careless and left some traces of who they were, too, but I won't go into that.

Reborn and then Legends (And others, basically any NGE server not PSWG) were a direct result of a couple of people that got a hold of this code, which was hacked together by amateurs to get it to run, mostly for attention, 'recognition', eFame and potential profit.

Also worth pointing out that it wasn't the final code, but stems from a bit earlier, patch 54? 55? I forgot now, it's been almost two years.

In terms of sources, one can probably still find some threads on Reddit (/r/swg (Which supports these servers) and /r/swgemu).

P.S. It's not illegal for players to play on these servers, but due to the nature of them, they themselves are illegal and can be shut down at any moment. These servers, though it's a bit too late now, also put legitimate projects like SWGEmu in danger, due to a potential blanket purge by Disney/EA/LF, etc, this is the core reason why we won't support these servers on ModTheGalaxy, even though we're technically independent.

 

[Halyn]

The patch from the leaked code was Chapter 16.4 (Nym's themepark revamp).

http://swg.wikia.com/wiki/Updates for quick reference.

(I'm aware of it because one of the teams working with the leaked code tried to recruit me. Why, I have no idea.)

 

[Timbab]

Yeah I never quite know the actual update names, I just know the .TRE names.

And why they'd recruit you is obvious, they're lacking competent people, all they have is scene rejects and amateurs with bloated non dev staffs.

 

[Halyn]

And that's why I'm wondering why they'd recruit me. I'm much closer to "reject" than "competent".

 

[Timbab]

Nah, you're definitely one of the competent ones. You might not be writing an ACM editor, but you know your way around the server and a bunch of client side stuff at this point, tackling some stuff that no one has really done before.

Wish more people tried to make new stuff, or experiment with what SWG already has, than trying to endlessly port NGE stuff (Even if that can be a decent way to get ones feet wet).

 

[Magneton]

It's been a while now and I haven't kept up with it, so the story might have changed with more evidence, but basically, from what I know, it stems from an SOE employee that was in contact with a person belonging to a group involving multiple emulation scene members (Not from SWGEmu, but other projects). Forgot when exactly they obtained it, but afaik it was around 2013 or 2014.

These people then went dark in the scene and worked on a faux 'NGE emulation' project that used the code as its base for about a year, until they were exposed by a handful of people (I was one of them), which led to them kind of vanishing again and at a later point anonymously dumping it publically on Reddit in early 2015? if I remember right. They were a tad careless and left some traces of who they were, too, but I won't go into that.

Reborn and then Legends (And others, basically any NGE server not PSWG) were a direct result of a couple of people that got a hold of this code, which was hacked together by amateurs to get it to run, mostly for attention, 'recognition', eFame and potential profit.

Also worth pointing out that it wasn't the final code, but stems from a bit earlier, patch 54? 55? I forgot now, it's been almost two years.

In terms of sources, one can probably still find some threads on Reddit (/r/swg (Which supports these servers) and /r/swgemu).

P.S. It's not illegal for players to play on these servers, but due to the nature of them, they themselves are illegal and can be shut down at any moment. These servers, though it's a bit too late now, also put legitimate projects like SWGEmu in danger, due to a potential blanket purge by Disney/EA/LF, etc, this is the core reason why we won't support these servers on ModTheGalaxy, even though we're technically independent.

Wow! Fascinating story indeed! I never even thought about it.

Sure looks like you know very well what you're talking about. I always thought that every server projects were simply legal as long as they were not using the code directly from SOE. It turns out I now see that only SWGEmu and SWGP are deemed as truly legal. After all, what would be the reason that SWGL was ahead of SWGP if it wasn't for taking "shortcuts"? It all makes sense now.

Internet can be a tricky world. Suppose that even taking precaution would not guarantee that you will not be in the wrong place at the wrong time.



Well.....I already been thinking a lot about this, and so I decided that I will stop playing and supporting SWGL, and have my account deleted as soon as possible. This, of course, is not an easy decision, but I suppose that sometimes even the right decisions can be tough. After all, I've been with them since November, so it's certainly not a long time ago.

This also means that going to have to say goodbye to some of my closest veteran people . When I do, if asked why, I probably going to tell them that something just happened to me IRL that forced me to stop playing.

I thank you guys very much for opening my eyes, especially Timbab. For this point on I will support only to SWGEmu and SWGP. Oh and forget for what I requested, this topic that you brought to me is far more important. I hope that soon that the server called "Suncrusher" will be live so I can become once again an Imperial Pilot (in a legal server). That is my dream.

 

[Lasko]

Hi Magneton,

Now I've not looked at ships specifically, but with the right files and shader palettes, it's possible to recolour just about most things in SWG. As JTL is a way off yet, it's not been a high priority, but it's now on my ToDo list

 

[Timbab]

Wow! Fascinating story indeed! I never even thought about it.

Sure looks like you know very well what you're talking about. I always thought that every server projects were simply legal as long as they were not using the code directly from SOE. It turns out I now see that only SWGEmu and SWGP are deemed as truly legal. After all, what would be the reason that SWGL was ahead of SWGP if it wasn't for taking "shortcuts"? It all makes sense now.

Internet can be a tricky world. Suppose that even taking precaution would not guarantee that you will not  be in the wrong place at the wrong time.



Well.....I already been thinking a lot about this, and so I decided that I will stop playing and supporting SWGL, and have my account deleted as soon as possible. This, of course, is not an easy decision, but I suppose that sometimes even the right decisions can be tough. After all, I've been with them since November, so it's certainly not a long time ago.

This also means that going to have to say goodbye to some of my closest veteran people . When I do, if asked why, I probably going to tell them that something just happened to me IRL that forced me to stop playing.

I thank you guys very much for opening my eyes, especially Timbab. For this point on I will support only to SWGEmu and SWGP. Oh and forget for what I requested, this topic that you brought to me is far more important. I hope that soon that the server called "Suncrusher" will be live so I can become once again an Imperial Pilot (in a legal server). That is my dream.

As fascinating as the story is, it's also equally depressing for me.

I'd be lying if I said that it didn't affect motivation for all things SWG in the past 2 years. 

Do note though, as I've said, it's not really illegal to play on them, but if one does play on them, one should be aware of 1. What it is, 2. Who runs these servers and 3. It literally might vanish/get shut down at any moment due to the legality of it all.

There are not even any respectable people running any of these servers, it literally attracted the worst of the scene, Staff wise, and from outside of SWG.

 

[langelusse]

This code is not legal, it's piracy. You have inside code all old admin of SWG. He compromit work of swgemu by easiest. I m agree with timbad on dangerous of this project.